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| Yesterday & Today Record Club (Page 1 of 2) | | perrybeatle on 4/24/08 3:02 PM |
I've asked this question several times over the years and have never got an answer. Hopefully this time will be the charm...
I own a Yesterday & Today record club jacket (ST-8-2553) and the vinyl that it is paired with is a subsidiary label from '68 (ST-2553). My question is: Did retail outlets ever sell Beatles LP's in record club jackets? I ask this because my record club jacket is still in the shrinkwrap with a "Jordan Marsh" department store sticker on the shrink. Is it possible that capital could have used record club jackets in stores? What other explanation could there be for a subsidiary vinyl inside a record club cover?
anybody?thanks, Perry
| | [Posted by DaveHaber on 4/24/08 3:20 PM] Just to be clear for the purposes of this conversation: Are you the original owner? Can you vouch for the fact that the vinyl is indeed what originally came with that cover? Because, of course, there is the possibility that you did not mention, that at some point in the history of the record, the vinyl from one issue and the cover from a different issue were married together.
| | [Posted by perrybeatle on 4/24/08 4:15 PM] Actually, I bought this year's ago in an auction, so I am not the original owner, but even so, that doesn't explain how a record club cover ends up with a retail store shrink around it since they were only supposed to be sold by mail-order. Perry
| | [Posted by DaveHaber on 4/24/08 4:26 PM] Correct, it does not. Just needed to state the, perhaps, obvious. As to how a Record Club issue made it to be sold in a store, there may be a more specific answer perhaps someone else can give, but I can tell you, stranger things have happened. There used to be companies called "Record Jobbers". They sold records, usually of the "cut-out" variety, in bulk, to chain department stores. I know for a fact, for example, that bootleg copies (poor imitations not made by Vee Jay) of Introducing The Beatles were sold in a Klein's Dept. Store in the New York City area, probably sold to them by a less-than-scrupulous record jobber. Perhaps that's how Record Club copies of Yesterday & Today ended up in Jordan Marsh... By any chance, does the LP cover bear any record of being "cut-out" in any way? (Corner notched, small hole drilled in corner, etc...)
| | [Posted by perrybeatle on 4/24/08 5:03 PM] no cut-out marks at all...beautiful shape and the vinyl is near mint.... Perry
| | [Posted by namralos on 4/26/08 10:24 AM] Most likely, someone between 1969 and when you bought it accidentally (or on purpose) put the wrong album in that cover. If they had two copies of Y&T, this would have been easy. A lot of dealers think that putting their "best" record in their "best" cover will help it to sell. Frank Daniels
| | [Posted by perrybeatle on 4/26/08 9:12 PM] I would agree with you on that point Frank, however my shrinkwrapped record club cover with a retail store sticker on it is still a mystery. I have never ever heard of anyone ever buying a Beatles record at a retail outlet that had a record club cover. Perry
| | [Posted by DaveHaber on 4/26/08 11:03 PM] It shouldn't have been possible. The problem is, it's so many years after the fact, you don't have really any way of knowing what year the LP was sold in the store. It could have been many years after the original issue of the Record Club edition of Y&T, towards the end of the demise of the Record Club, and they could have been dumping their excess stock on record wholesalers. After all, we know how to tell one from another, but the general public would never have noticed the difference between the Capitol issue and the Record Club issue. In any event, you have a wonderful artifact there, one I would definitely keep and preserve.
| | [Posted by namralos on 4/27/08 8:53 AM] That the company that made the "16" covers also made covers that were used by the factory in Jacksonville, IL. IF your record was pressed in Jacksonville, it would have an "O" factory symbol. Otherwise, they're definitely mismatched. By the way, there are several dealers on eBay who take the shrink wrap off of one cover (i.e., by an artist that's not widely collected) and add the wrap to another cover (by an artist that IS widely collected). They think this boosts the value of their records. I'm sure it happened for many years before eBay came along. So, the wrap may have come from another album. There's also a "sticker" frenzy, too. Several dealers have removed old price stickers from one album and put them on another. Usually, they do this to re-seal the album, but basically the purpose is to make people think that the shrink wrap was original to the album. The idea seems to be to compile a "best possible sale" by whatever means. I've even seen someone steam the front cover off of a butcher cover -- ruining the rest of the cover. Then he stuck the butcher cover on top of a reissue cover that contained an orange-label record! Frank Daniels
| | [Posted by perrybeatle on 4/27/08 10:15 AM] lots of interesting tidbits - thank you - I was going to try and find the proper matching cover/vinyl to this set but after reading the comments in this forum, I think I'm going to just keep this coupling just the way it is. thanks,
Perry
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